Attorney Ives Describes
Cave
Rich Find Within 100 Feet
of Main Highway
Attorney
Ralph S. Ives of Roxbury recently made a speech before the Oneonta Kiwanis club
in which he described the Indian cave at Arkville,
The
Oneonta Star gives the following report of the speech by Mr. Ives.
Mr.
Ives explained that he had been collecting Indian flints and relics since he
was a lad, told how the hobby had grown with him, and of the interest with
which he read about excavations in the Pyrenees, arousing a desire to some day
take part in some original excavations himself.
He then relate events during his boyhood at Margaretville and of the
stories about the Indian cave at Arkville about which he heard throughout his
life, spent in that vicinity and Roxbury.
Cave Within View of Highway
While
drawing a deed this spring, mention was made in the papers of the Indian cave,
and he determined to visit it. The cave
faces southeast on a mountain near the Arkville railroad station, the mouth
being readily seen from the highway which runs within 100 feet of it. The cave is about 30 feet long, about 20 feet
deep, and had a vaulted roof about eight feet from the ground at the time
digging operations were started this spring.
Because
the work had to be done in spare time, activities were carried on quietly, but
in five or six weeks the excavation was completed. Because few perfect specimens have been found
in caves, Mr. Ives and his sons started their digging, carefully with stiff
case knives, about 10 feet from the opening of the cave. Arrowpoints and scrapers of the Algonquin
type were found, together with broken bone implements and pottery, before
excavation was started within the cave.
Inside
the rock shelter a rock floor was found under three or four inches of loose
soil, this base being flatiron-shaped with dirt on the sides. On the north side
of this floor, definite layers of
charcoal were found to a depth of two feet and one-half, indicating that
the camp site had been used for centuries.
At a depth of four and one-half feet below the floor were found a number
of perfect bone implements, needles, awls, bone arrowpoints, and broken
pieces. Because of their age, these
pieces of bone were very brittle and it was necessary to protect them under
glass. A small display case of these
articles was exhibited.
Estimates Age at 2,500
Years
In
fixing the age of finds in the cave, which Mr. Ives estimated at from 600 to
5,000 years, he explained that the Algonquins lived in this vicinity before the
Iroquois. He considers it most probable
that some of the bone implements are 2,500 years old. He also expressed the conviction that bone
was used fully as much as stone by the
early Indian and said that he hopes some day to establish that wooden
implements were also common.
Excavating
to a depth of four feet, the party also found fragments of pottery and
fresh-water clamshells, probably used as ladles or spoons. Portions of two pipes, rubbing stones, drill
points, bases of drills, fishnet sinkers, arrow points and scrapers were also found
in substantial quantities in this strata. The rusted blade of a knife was found
some distance below the surface in the cave, indicating to Mr. Ives that others
had explored it mysteries, probably many years ago.
Catskill Mountain News, 22 June 1934, Margaretville, NY
On reading this report one can only hope that Mr. Ives and sons didn't dig up the whole cave floor. It would be interesting to know if any archeological professional has examined it since; Mr. Ives knew far too little about his subject to extract much useful information about his destructive work. An important related question would be, where is the collection he assembled now? That would tell present-day experts much about the culture(s) he uncovered. His age estimations seem to be snatched out of the air and the prehistory he states has been superceded by a near-consensus of scholars that the Algonkian and Iroquois held their historical geographical positions contemporarily, not that one came before the other. From having excavated to the depth of four feet, Ives undoubtedly destroyed the record of a number of cultures, many that flourished before either Algonkians or Iroquoians. Digging an archeological site by non-professionals has been, is now, and always will be looting.
ReplyDeleteIn addition, there have been great technologically advances in archaeology. It would be interesting to follow up.
ReplyDeleteInformation on the collection is given on the post about Mr. Ives' collection.